Darkplaces on ubuntu?

[goldenboy]

Hmm... it is easy enough to change the screen resolution in my Ubuntu, it is done graphically via a dropdown menu in the NVIDIA control panel. There is a button that saves it to the configuration file.

Ubuntu has three main desktop menus: Applications, Places, and System. These do exactly what it sounds like. The Applications menu has your installed programs, as well as the software installation center. The Places menu has something that looks and works like Windows Explorer ("My Computer"). The System menu has all the stuff you'd expect, just not a "control center" app, but individual panels.

You don't like Gimp? You can run Photoshop on Linux, you know. No problem at all. Ubuntu provides wine to run windows programs like that.

Compiling 32 bit binaries on a 64 bit system has absolutely nothing to do with newb friendliness. You need to compile nothing on Ubuntu.

Which games don't work with Ubuntu's sound system?

You like Macs, buy a mac.

[mh]

I don't think the problem with mainstream Linux is lack of a dumbed down UI - Windows 3.1 was quite user-hostile and that was successful. Likewise NT4. The problem is that the Linux community, like the Unix community before it, likes to tear itself apart with infighting. This goes back to the original "on holy wars and a plea for peace" paper (which predates Windows and probably even DOS), goes through Emacs vs VI, KDE vs Gnome, distro wars, Ubuntu vs everything else, Apt vs RPM, the old OpenGL vs D3D war could have only ever come out of the Linux community (OpenGL extensions may be a form of this as every vendor would prefer you to use their own proprietary way of doing things), CVS vs SVN vs Git, and so it goes; I'm sure anyone could easily name 4 or 5 others. That doesn't happen with Windows - you get a single strong and enforced perspective and you have to live with it. Crucially and interestingly, it seems that the same applies to the Linux kernel itself, but it's the bits and bobs elsewhere that suffer from it.

[ceriux]

the only thing that's not grandma-ready is the installation of the absolute latest commercial video drivers (e.g. NVIDIA), but even that is by no means difficult. Ubuntu installs default ones, they're just not always the latest version.

it was easy for me, lol a window popped up saying you don't have the required video drivers, here's a list of the ones we have. clicked the most recent one as labeled and clicked the install button. =)

[Baker]

Hmm... it is easy enough to change the screen resolution in my Ubuntu, it is done graphically via a dropdown menu in the NVIDIA control panel. There is a button that saves it to the configuration file.

Well, I never found that. Googling said edit some text file which was difficult as hell to locate. And I'm not sure what NVIDIA drivers I was using. If I recall there was a crappy one with some advantages and a proprietary one with other advantages.

You don't like Gimp? You can run Photoshop on Linux, you know. No problem at all. Ubuntu provides wine to run windows programs like that.

My gripe about Gimp is that it seems like the stereotype of Linux. It can do everything, but interface blows. I mean serious, what can Gimp NOT do? It does virtually everything. But you can never find it.

re: Photoshop ... never will buy it. Wouldn't use it even if someone gave me a copy. I object to the idea of the "most common standard" is that you are expected to steal it and object to the idea of super-expensive software that matured long ago.

Which games don't work with Ubuntu's sound system?

I had some choice like using these sound drivers and get sound in Open Arena / Alien Arena or use other drivers and have sound in Quakespasm and DarkPlaces. Or something like that.

You like Macs, buy a mac.

Hehe

This goes back to the original "on holy wars and a plea for peace" paper (which predates Windows and probably even DOS), goes through Emacs vs VI, KDE vs Gnome, distro wars, Ubuntu vs everything else, Apt vs RPM, the old OpenGL vs D3D war could have only ever come out of the Linux community (OpenGL extensions may be a form of this as every vendor would prefer you to use their own proprietary way of doing things), CVS vs SVN vs Git

Well, if that is the case they certainly excel at it. I've messed around with stuff like Qt lately and I've come to one conclusion: it is easier to make controls in OpenGL (a la DirectQ) than it is to maintain 3-6 operating system specific user interfaces. The alternative is something terrible like GTK .. I'm sorry but it looks all 1990s and not in cool way.

Really as far as operating systems go, it isn't even possible to like whatever say Google has mind which is probably putting ads in your face and requiring an internet connection and selling your private data.

[ceriux]

how do you load mods in linux? i can't edit the targets of my shortcuts?

[Baker]

And I think this is the last time I'll critique Linux here. I'm not looking to get other open source people upset, especially ones that are making cool stuff or playing around with Doom 3 menus or whatever Reckless is doing with it.

[Baker]

how do you load mods in linux? i can't edit the targets of my shortcuts?

Quake Injector. http://haukerehfeld.de/projects/quakeinjector/

[ceriux]

how do you load mods in linux? i can't edit the targets of my shortcuts?

Quake Injector. http://haukerehfeld.de/projects/quakeinjector/

it works with darkplaces? also it can load things like prydongate?

oh and to run some windows programs if you don't want to use wine. theres a program called playonlinux it ran steam.

[goldenboy]

tbh I think Baker and MH are both wrong, since they seem to take some cliche internet meme version of Linux and then criticize that, instead of installing Ubuntu and basing their criticism on that. SVN vs Git has nothing to do with OSes, and OpenGL vs DirectX has nothing to do with Linux being user friendly.

Gimp etc. have nothing to do with Linux being newbie friendly, either. The Gimp UI is different from Photoshop, but it works fine for me and I don't look a gift horse in the mouth, if you know what I mean, I just learn how to use it. Same for Blender.

Ubuntu 10.4 is practically identical to Fedora and everything else that uses GNOME, only one desktop is orange or something and the other is blue. That's how different the two distros are.

I recommend installing the damn thing and using it for a while before ripping it apart in the air

anyway, Darkplaces runs on Ubuntu just fine, so do half a dozen other quake engines. Personally my Quake folder is /home/gb/quake, inside that is a bunch of engines and the id folder, inside which are the pakfiles etc. I have a bash script to run rmq, which is located in ~/bin/rmq. Other mods I start from the terminal. I also have bash scripts to compile my maps, start blender, play doom, and so on. They are easy enough to write - like a batch file in DOS.

Running mods: Right click the desktop icon, click properties and edit the command line. Or create a new laucher. Alternatively if you don't play the mod often, start gnome terminal, cd to the quake dir and do ./myengine -game blah.

Installing Quake / engines: Do not install Quake engines and similar stuff via the package manager, just download what you want from the web and have one folder where you keep everything. Since you're probably the only person playing Quake on your PC, it makes no sense doing a multi-user install (/usr/games/quake or anything like that). Install Quake manually by copying an engine and the pakfiles, believe me it is the cleanest thing to do since you probably also install your mods manually, and you want no confusion between the package manager and your manually installed mods... just install everything manually.

About Quake Injector - I thought it was specifically NOT for mods, since it uses Quaddicted as a backend?

[Spirit]

Hmm... it is easy enough to change the screen resolution in my Ubuntu, it is done graphically via a dropdown menu in the NVIDIA control panel. There is a button that saves it to the configuration file.

Well, I never found that. Googling said edit some text file which was difficult as hell to locate.

Do not use random Google guides for things like this. See what the OS offers you in its options. Nowadays you do not need to edit files to set your screen resolution. xorg.conf is deprecated.


GIMP was just an example. Photoshop is not intuitive either (I never find what I look for). Alternatives are MyPaint, Krita, Pinta, etc.


ceriux, learn to use the terminal. It is awesome. Much more convenient than having to edit some shortcuts every time you want to launch a different mod. Just cd to your Quake directory, type ./darkp<TAB> -game abc<TAB> and you are set. Alternatively create files like file.sh with the commandline inside, right-click, set executable, doubleclick. Quake Injector won't make you happy if you want mods.

Playonlinux is a fancy GUI to Wine.

[ceriux]

goldenboy it wont let me edit them? also i'm not familiar with ubuntu's directory names and how to write them nor bash files. mind giving a small tutorial or example?

[Spirit]

https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-help/index.html
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/

http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/doku.php

http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse

Learn to use the internet or you won't have too much fun with Linux (unless you use it like a Mac).

[Baker]

p.s. Someone is trying to get Ceruix to read bash documentation and man pages already ...

/Ok really! Last time I really mean it this time. I'm kinda kidding about this and messing with Spirit a bit, but hey ... truth is truth.

The Gimp UI is different from Photoshop, but it works fine for me and I don't look a gift horse in the mouth, if you know what I mean, I just learn how to use it.

^^ Remember this one.

About Quake Injector - I thought it was specifically NOT for mods, since it uses Quaddicted as a backend?

Quaddicted is for mods that meet Spirit's conservative and standards and generally work out of the box with the kind of engines Spirit feels embody the true .. ahem .. spirit of Quake. Kinda of like how the Apple store tells people what meets there standards.

As opposed to Windows, which will easily install shit off the internet just by visiting a web page or inserting a USB drive or just leaving the computer on. And the OEMs fill your hard drive with hordes of crapwares before you even get the thing. Then Microsoft pushes a few 2 GB bloated updates to slow your computer down real good and totally run like shit.

But I guess Windows helps keep the Iranians from having nukes by clogging up their computers with stuff they can't ever remove. And then businessmen can sell Iran copies of Norton and make them wish they had the viruses back all over again.

[gnounc]

p.s. Someone is trying to get Ceruix to read bash documentation and man pages already

...if you run linux and dont, you're doing it wORNG.

also what spirit said. X2.

and if you ever get ballsy and decide to mess with some settings...make sure you have an internet ready device nearby.
...from experience.

[ceriux]

i have two pc's however i just ran out of time to search for it. i had to leave for work. thanks and ill try them.