QTest Progs.dat source?

ooppee · Post by **ooppee** » Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:56 pm

Know it's old. However I'd like to see the code of everything for a modern mod. Has anyone decompiled this? I would imagine it has once as a user created maps with monsters for QTest shortly after it's release. Would anyone have this or could do it? "Modern" decompilers dont work on it.

leileilol · Post by **leileilol** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:13 am

it's undecompilable. Spike did parsing of it in fteqw at one point though

besides, all the strange monsters are broken and crash on sight, and some of them only just follow you harmlessly (like vomitus). There's not even a working item_deathball or superlightning.

silverjoel · Post by **silverjoel** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:48 am

http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/s ... t-mod.html

leileilol · Post by **leileilol** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 1:55 am

^^^^^ WOW THAT MOD IS COOL GETTING ^^^^^

you have to turn to page 3 for the latest, though.

Qtest isn't the only thing further back. What's also interesting is what was Quake around November 1995. Rockets puffed smoke sprites, theoretically, and ogres are horny.

John Romero said he had a pre-alpha from that point somewhere...

ooppee · Post by **ooppee** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:05 am

silverjoel wrote:http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-talk/s ... t-mod.html

Tried it and sadly it's nothing like QTest.
Supernailgun acts completely different, along with the Grenade Launcher (as 2 examples of the various). Run the mod, then run QTest and you'd see what I mean

leileilol · Post by **leileilol** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:17 am

they're supposed to 'spread'. Are you playing 3.0?

The Wizard attack could've been done better, like actually using the sprite and having a delay... instead of putting a sphere model with the sprite texture stuck on that sphere.

TimeServ · Post by **TimeServ** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:41 am

I took some effort in mapping out QTest file differences only to not bother follow through on anything (well there is QTest MDL support in FTE but that was trivial). QTest and Quake release progs are different but they might be close enough to where a disassembler could be hacked up from an existing disassembler. There's a few big differences like that QTest progs don't define a locals location in the functions struct, an extra 4 bytes per instruction (that might correspond to a line number?), and there doesn't seem to be a save global flag. Another big problem is I didn't get far enough to check if opcode definitions are the same. It's unlikely that they changed but if they are that means a lot more work would need to be done to find out differences.

Ranger366 · Post by **Ranger366** » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:50 am

TimeServ wrote:(well there is QTest MDL support in FTE but that was trivial).

Isn't the MDL format from QTest exactly like the one from the retail? I mean there are no troubles using qME and so on them, looks like they are all the same.

frag.machine · Post by **frag.machine** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:14 am

Not 100% compatible. QuArK will complain about it. But of course, you can always open it on QME, save as regular Quake .mdl and then open it on QuArK.

ooppee · Post by **ooppee** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:53 am

leileilol wrote:besides, all the strange monsters are broken and crash on sight, and some of them only just follow you harmlessly (like vomitus). There's not even a working item_deathball or superlightning.

Not true, might want to download the Phil2.bsp for QTest. The Shambler, Knights, Scrag, Grunt, Ogre are all fully functional. AI isn't the greatest but they do work. The Dragon works too but can't really do much as it's the size of the room. The Vomitus is harmless, the Scrag works almost 100% just sometimes it's projectile gets stuck mid-air but if touched it explodes.
I'm mainly only wanting the damage values, rate of fire, and spread (shotgun, grenade - as it will fire slightly to the left/right also).
Can look up the name of the code in a hex editor but after the name it just goes all messed - so finding those values doesn't work.

QTest with the map:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZYX52DXH

leileilol wrote:they're supposed to 'spread'. Are you playing 3.0?

Yes, but not that much. The spread is insane when compared to the original. Play both and you'd see.

TimeServ · Post by **TimeServ** » Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:42 pm

Ranger366 wrote:Isn't the MDL format from QTest exactly like the one from the retail?

No. The header is missing 2 entries (model flags, size) and the frames don't store the 16-byte frame names.

ooppee wrote:I'm mainly only wanting the damage values, rate of fire, and spread

I'll note a few differences I found from Quake 1 to QTest:
- SSG has 0.07 right/0.05 up spread
- NG always fires from center
- SNG fires 2 nails per round with 0.05 right/0.05 up spread
- GL grenades are spawned with v_forward*600+v_right*(50*crandom())+v_up*(200+40*crandom()) velocity
- RL has 0.6 attack_finished, does 10 damage direct and 80 damage radius which does not ignore touched object
- Radius damage reduction is calculated as vlen(inflictor.origin - head.origin)*0.5 and there's no extra reduction for radius damage done to yourself (explains why grenades hurt yourself so much)

That's all I feel like looking up for now but those things should be pretty accurate.

ooppee · Post by **ooppee** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:56 am

Thanks those cover most of what I was wanting (single shotty is all that's left - however the change appears to be minor so self adjusting will find it.).
Monster damage is easy to figure out - get hit by them with no armor.

TimeServ · Post by **TimeServ** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:00 am

SG has same spread/shot count as QTest/Q1. Anything I didn't list with weapons seemed to be the same as Q1 (nail/rocket projectile speed, grenade damage, etc)

ooppee · Post by **ooppee** » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:03 pm

Thanks for the info

Any chance you can tell me where you got your info on all of this? Would like to take a look at all the details I can (esp if it has the enemy info too)

TimeServ · Post by **TimeServ** » Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:55 pm

I converted the v3 progs into v6 and decompiled it.