SuperDuper Quake is back and better than EVER!

[hondobondo]

@frag.machine:
a nice map ! Thanks...

Just a few comments:
- I find a map a bit too dark. Could have a higher light level.

- It could be a bit bigger. Generally I rather like to play the more open maps with wider areas. Esp. with the weapons of mass destruction *ggg*

- You could add a tunnel with a big cave in between which connects both ends of the canyon

While tighter maps are also cool to play in SDQuake I think that bigger maps suit more the higher skill levels. Both for the big mass of enemies as well as for the more powerful weapons. Not shure if you have ever played it but compare it to Serious Sam or Painkiller.

@hondobondo:
Have you had a chance to modify weapons.qc in regard to avoid close quarter nuking ?

For the "wilhelm scream" I like this one from the Dark Knight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGGArPVeG_Q

BTW: SDQuake seems to have a bug when you are in observer mode. When I play with bots, die too often and then run around in observer mode I still seem to pick up items. At least the items vanish and I hear the pickup sound when I run over it.

Yesterday I experienced another strange behaviour:
I was in observer mode and had around 6 bots still alive in the level. The bots seemed to follow me as observer and were, well, passiv. Although there were tons of monsters still around they didn´t kill them.

Any ideas on this ?

it could be that the bots are observers also. their default behavior is to follow human clients. i fixed it so that they should be using the eyes model if they are dead. btw, latest patch is uploaded and should be ready tomorrow!

[hondobondo]

very nice map. but yeah, a little cramped. i like irregular geometry. i'm so lazy i just create cubes. good job

[frag.machine]

Here goes the second one, hopefully there's enough room for all tastes.
Again, feedback is welcome. I am working in the first one, maybe tomorrow I'll have something to show.

[frag.machine]

Some bug reporting, now: whenever I get the robot artifact, I end up with the jet pack also, when it wears off. Is that an expected thing ?
Also, the magic buzzsaw sometimes tries to kill an invisible entity called "shambler_control". Actually, the magic buzzsaw, the helper robots and PVS drones need some new AI, because they always try to destroy each other. :/

[Dark$oul71]

@hondobondo:
Cool, I will check out the new patch ! BTW: Did you include my modified code ? I mean the one with the lowercased references.

@frag.machine:
Thnx, I will testplay this evening !
In regard to the helper bots I agree...
It also happens sometimes that helper bot of bots fire at you.

In the first place I would be happy if I can play without close quater nuking though

Edit: SDQuake Patch 2.7:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/bondos-superd ... e-patch-27

20100508 BOTS CANNOT USE WMDS: VORTEX/DOOMSDAY/ORBITAL/NAPALM/NUKE/WORLD ENDER/DEATHSHEAD

Thanks hondobondo !

[Dark$oul71]

Ok, short update:
Since I was too tired yesterday, I gave the new SQD version a quick try in the morning (is this what they call breakfast fragging ? ).

@frag.machine:
I like the new map ! Plays nicely. If you add a small fort in the middle (may be as variation for a third map ?) I think this give pretty much the "standard" SDQuake gameplay.

@hondobondo:
Thanks for the fix. In the first place removing WMD from the bots arsenal seems to help although I died a few times within frag.machine's bigger map being killed by bots (either by the obliterator, photon beam or another strong weapon).

Maybe it makes sense as a general countermeasure to have a friendly fire flag as option ?

Personally I like to play big maps with lots of bots (e.g. > 4 bots) and wouldn't have a big problems with the bots nuking around if I do not die.

What do you think ?

Edit:
Oh yes, one short question: Is it normal that the sound lizshoot.wav is missing ?

It's precached inside weapons.qc:

Code: Select all

precache_sound ("lizard/lizshoot.wav");


I've seen the error message that this file is missing multiple times during gaming.

My SDQuake folder seems to miss this file. To my best knowledge I grabbed SDQuake 2.5 and installed all updates available afterwards.

[frag.machine]

I am still thinking about what to do with the first map. I guess I'll eventually scrap it and try another layout, using the same theme.

[Dark$oul71]

I am still thinking about what to do with the first map. I guess I'll eventually scrap it and try another layout, using the same theme.

Hm, well I wouldn´t scrape it completely...
It plays quite nice doesn´t it ? A least I like it.

It just could be a bit brighter.

BTW: Which editor did you use ? My first and only editor experiences for Quake was the Deathmatch maker but unfortunately I misplaced the CD. If there is an easy leveleditor to make maps for Quake I might try by myself to do some more "box like" maps. I enjoyed making maps for Doom although things were easier back then

[frag.machine]

Well, since I am a n00b maper, I use an ancient version of QuArK (4.07). Yeah, I know, <put_our_favorite_map_editor_here> is better. But I am too used (and too lazy) to change that.

[ceriux]

try worldcraft its simple you can search up any half-life 1 mapping tutorial and it more than likely will also help to teach you how to map with worldcraft and quake.

[hondobondo]

Some bug reporting, now: whenever I get the robot artifact, I end up with the jet pack also, when it wears off. Is that an expected thing ?

yeah that's a weird one.

Also, the magic buzzsaw sometimes tries to kill an invisible entity called "shambler_control". Actually, the magic buzzsaw, the helper robots and PVS drones need some new AI, because they always try to destroy each other. :/

another weird one. that's somewhere in rhelper.qc in weapons
these two are really weird bugs that i haven't spent a lot of time on because they shouldn't happen at all, so i don't even know where to start to fix them

[hondobondo]

Maybe it makes sense as a general countermeasure to have a friendly fire flag as option ?

good idea

Edit:
Oh yes, one short question: Is it normal that the sound lizshoot.wav is missing ?

It's precached inside weapons.qc:

Code: Select all

precache_sound ("lizard/lizshoot.wav");


I've seen the error message that this file is missing multiple times during gaming.

My SDQuake folder seems to miss this file. To my best knowledge I grabbed SDQuake 2.5 and installed all updates available afterwards.

yeah you shouldn't need that file. just delete that line and run qcc.bat

[hondobondo]

Here goes the second one, hopefully there's enough room for all tastes.
Again, feedback is welcome. I am working in the first one, maybe tomorrow I'll have something to show.

that will definitely go in the next update

[hondobondo]

before i put fmsdq02 in the next update i need you to raise the DM spawns in the center of the map. the monsters spawn with their legs stuck in the floor. thanks

[frag.machine]

Okay, I'll check it when I arrive at home.
Also, I got another map ready to test, I'll upload it later too.

EDIT: sorry for the delay...
Here they are: fmsdq02 (fixed plus some small improvements) and fmsdq03 (new map).

Feedback is welcome.